tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post8109592340586097099..comments2023-08-06T05:21:30.799-05:00Comments on The End Zone: In 2005, Major Steve Reich and Lt. Michael Murphy perished on the same Afghanistan mountain rangegcotharnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10912428161978690599noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post-76369191674404361362010-05-19T00:30:18.523-05:002010-05-19T00:30:18.523-05:00mlimbolimbo,
Thanks for visiting and commenting. ...mlimbolimbo,<br />Thanks for visiting and commenting. I'm with you.gcotharnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912428161978690599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post-68385045769442580612010-05-18T15:18:06.142-05:002010-05-18T15:18:06.142-05:00Great blog. I just finished reading Marcus Luttre...Great blog. I just finished reading Marcus Luttrell's book. These are incredible men that deserve every bit of support we can give them. That means that if we have to some terrorist's head under a wet towel for a few minutes to save the lives of our men, we do it. It's not torture if we train our own me with it... and we do. <br /><br />I have seen pictures of the Nazi torture rooms where victims dug their fingers into concrete and stone trying to get away from the pain. That is torture. I have seen footage of a man being beheaded with a knife (slowly). That is torture. I've seen college pranks that were worse than waterboarding. <br /><br />God bless our warriors.<br /><br />BHmlimbolimbonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post-66894658881549941952009-05-25T21:41:07.939-05:002009-05-25T21:41:07.939-05:00Jane,
You are joined, in your opinion that waterb...Jane,<br /><br />You are joined, in your opinion that waterboarding is not torture, by - among many others - Medal of Honor recipients Bud Day and Leo Thorsness - both of whom were tortured by the N. Vietnamese. <br /><br />You are joined, in your opinion that waterboarding successfully elicited information, by Pres. GWB, VP Cheney, DCI Tenet, DCI Hayden, and AG Mukasey, among others. <br /><br /><br />I am not in favor, ever, of taking immoral action. I am no expert on the ethics of what does and does not constitute torture. However, in ticking clock situations, I suspect true morality involves more than bumper sticker slogans; I suspect understanding true morality involves more than a blithe belief that morality is easy and obvious in every situation. <br /><br />Jack,<br />You've an interesting concept of "obsessive". I commented at your blog. You replied. I responded to each misguided assertion in your reply. Because there were a succession of misguided assertions, my response ran longer than Blogger allows, and I broke my comment into three comments, to fit the strictures of Blogger. If you had noticed my comments occurred 30 seconds apart, you would have known what was happening. You deleted my comment, and I commented about your deleting me. And, of course, you deleted my comment about your deleting me!gcotharnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912428161978690599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post-2589407813704421922009-05-25T19:36:46.389-05:002009-05-25T19:36:46.389-05:00Mr. Cotharn, I meant, of course, end of discussion...Mr. Cotharn, I meant, of course, end of discussion on the torture issue, as it strikes home in a very direct way that you could never have possibly known without an explanation here. You are free to discuss anything else you wish at my blog at any time, be it economics, baseball, political theory, history, geography, astronomy, gastronomy, whatever you like. And I will feel free to comment on your blog whenever I see anything I would wish to comment on. I can guarantee you this, though: I won't make 5 obsessive and successive comments and split hairs with you on your blog as you did on mine, and I will no longer debate torture with you, period. Good evening, sir, and do as you wish in your blog tomorrow.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post-36553477778816144202009-05-25T19:32:37.271-05:002009-05-25T19:32:37.271-05:00Look forward to your Tuesday post.
Meanwhile, whe...Look forward to your Tuesday post.<br /><br />Meanwhile, when I talk with former Marines etc, they all say the techniques that are used today were used on all of them in basic training. None of them considers any of this real torture. Torture is beheading a captive on tv, cutting off hands and fingers and various other real maiming procedures. <br /><br />I also have to disagree with Mr. Jodell about the effectiveness of these stress-producing procedures. Useful information has been extracted.Webutantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02139954791621532194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post-3207264890222474182009-05-25T18:48:29.503-05:002009-05-25T18:48:29.503-05:00Jack,
You delete my comments at your blog, then d...Jack, <br />You delete my comments at your blog, then depend upon my civility in allowing you to comment at my blog. How do you know I will be civil? What, in my comments at your blog, indicated I would be so civil? <br /><br />Here's what: I behaved with civility at your blog. My reasoning was fair, generous, rational. You sensed that I was the type of civil person who would allow you to comment at my blog, even as you deleted my comments at your blog. <br /><br />Why do I allow your comment to remain at my blog? Am I weak? To the contrary. I seek no silly vengeance over a blog comments kerfuffle. I do not fear your reasoning - which is not because you are stupid, but rather is because (in my good moments) I seek truth, not some type of empty rhetorical victory. If you shine light on truth, I am grateful. <br /><br />Even though you have declared "end of discussion", you are welcome - if you change your mind in future - to comment here. I would only ever ban abusive comments.<br /><br />I'm going to post, tomorrow morning, about our exchange at your blog. Having been censored by other left side bloggers, I kept a copy of my remarks there. <br /><br />My respect to your father for his service to our great nation. <br /><br />I reject your premise, in your comment here, that waterboarding is torture. I reject your assertion that I favor torture in wartime. I do not.<br /><br />I find this sequence to be worth a chuckle: you censor my comments at your blog, you comment at my blog, you preemptively announce "End of discussion." LOL. The left is very much about censorship of those who disagree with them. It is insecurity. It is intellectual inability to defend your beliefs - which, I empathize, as your beliefs are indefensible.gcotharnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10912428161978690599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5891553.post-2062170850426952642009-05-25T17:53:07.599-05:002009-05-25T17:53:07.599-05:00Side note, Mr. Cotharn:
My father was tortured by ...Side note, Mr. Cotharn:<br />My father was tortured by the Germans in WWII. He told me all the gory details years ago, and he understandbly opposes the practice to this very day and no longer wishes to even discuss the matter and doesn't wish to make his experience a matter of public record or discussion. Respecting his wishes, I have not even revealed this in my blog. He did tell me all he fed the Nazis was bullshit, so that would seem to further reinforce what numerous experts who aren't lying politicians like Dick Cheney have reported: that torture most often yields nothing but outright fiction or whatever its perpetrators want to hear. Unlike Cheney, my father did not resort to deferments or have "other priorities" which led him to avoid military service. So I will simply no longer discuss the matter with you, or any jingoistic conservatives who errantly favor the practice of torture in wartime. End of discussion.Jack Jodellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165430903903838990noreply@blogger.com